Before Joe Lee left 黑料不打烊 radio station at the end of summer, he met with and had a favor to ask.
Lee, WAER鈥檚 director and general manager, was the creator, producer and host of 鈥�,鈥� a podcast that invites expert guests to discuss significant work, events and milestones in popular culture. Phillips, a professor of communication and rhetorical studies in the and the founding co-director of the , was a frequent guest on the podcast.
Lee was leaving to become general manager of New Jersey鈥檚 statewide public television network NJ PBS, and he didn鈥檛 want 鈥淧op Life鈥� to die. He asked Phillips to take over as host, and Phillips happily agreed.
Kendall Phillips
鈥淚 give a lot of the credit to Joe Lee, who started the show and was the host for many, many years,鈥� Phillips says. 鈥淚 feel like we are trying to honor that spirit that Joe put into the show to pop the hood on the engine of pop culture and say, 鈥榟ow is this working?鈥� ”
Phillips鈥� research focuses on controversies and conflicts arising around public memory, popular film and popular culture. He has published several books, including 鈥溾€�; 鈥溾€�; 鈥溾€�; and most recently, 鈥�.鈥�
In this Q&A, Phillips discusses his vision for the podcast, future guests and an upcoming interview with … Kendall Phillips?
It goes back to some years ago when I was the host of a show on WCNY-TV called 鈥淐lassic Movie Night.鈥� I did that for five years and for me, the show was part of a broader engagement around critically thinking about media and popular culture. It was my chance to put a film in historical context or raise issues or point out things about the history of film.
And while that was rewarding, the format of a show like that鈥搘hich was basically like Turner Classic Movies where I intro the film and then show the film and say a little bit at the end鈥搘as limited because it was just me giving a 90-second lecture about the star system in Hollywood or Hitchcock or whatever it was.
What was appealing about this show is the opportunity to dig deeper with other people. What Joe brought to the show鈥揳nd I try to keep in mind鈥搃s the genuine curiosity; the desire to ask questions of an expert or a creator but beyond just the superficial, 鈥淚 liked this, did you like it?鈥�
For me, the focus of the show is to bring people who have this very learned, intelligent, well-researched perspective, and then get them to kind of unpack that and translate that. Not to dumb it down, but to translate it into language that all of us can say, 鈥淥h, yes, I know what that is.鈥� And the great thing about pop culture is, we all kind of swim in these waters, so it鈥檚 an opportunity to not just talk about pop culture but to talk about other changing notions of identity, shifts in politics or new technologies.
Right now, it鈥檚 a two-part process. One is following pop culture and saying, 鈥淲hat鈥檚 happening?鈥� The other is trying to follow the pop culture literature and see who鈥檚 writing interesting stuff. I would say that the longer-range plan that we鈥檒l get going in the spring is to have a team of CRS (communication and rhetorical studies) students as my production team. I鈥檓 hoping to get this group of students to help me identify the trends, the people and the topics that can make the show.
I don鈥檛 think we ever want the show to fall into just a review show, because there are way too many of those on the podcast realm. We also don鈥檛 want to fall into being overly committed to the creator interview. We had a great interview with , who鈥檚 the author of several very prominent, critically acclaimed horror novels and he鈥檚 got a show coming out on Apple TV and he鈥檚 written comic books. He鈥檚 the kind of guest that while he鈥檚 a writer, he鈥檚 a professor at Columbia and I knew going in that he would be able to talk at a deeper level. And he did! We had a great conversation about how authors of color are challenging traditional notions of horror, how those narratives are changing, how the culture is receiving them.
Right before the holiday period, we dropped a two-parter鈥� the first time we鈥檝e done a two-parter鈥搊n video games. During the holidays, everyone is either looking for a video game or playing one to relax, whether it鈥檚 something sophisticated or Candy Crush. We鈥檝e got a wonderful chat with a 黑料不打烊 alum, , who鈥檚 a professor at Bloomsburg University. David wrote a great book about the history of the video game industry, featuring interviews with the people who were the builders and architects of the industry.
And then I have a fabulous interview with , a professor at the University of Oregon who wrote a great book, 鈥�,鈥� talking about the struggles over who gets to be a gamer and the backlash that arose among the traditional, young, white male gamer who didn鈥檛 like Candy Crush or all of these other people showing up playing Call of Duty or Fortnight or whatever it might be.
I also sat down with and from the Newhouse School and the three of us had a conversation about the pandemic and tumultuous politics of the moment and how that鈥檚 changing the relationship to pop culture. From the impact of 鈥淪aturday Night Live鈥� and Dave Chappelle to streaming and on-demand and if people will want to go back to live music or live theatre experiences.
I鈥檓 going to interview ! Lest you think I鈥檓 a narcissist, this is the country-western singer who was a contestant on American Idol. I suddenly had this epiphany that I should talk to her, and she was super amazingly gracious and said let鈥檚 find time.
My hope is to talk about 鈥淎merican Idol鈥濃€搘e can鈥檛 not talk about that鈥揵ut for me what鈥檚 interesting is that here is a relatively young, working musician who, in fairness, is not at the level of Carrie Underwood or Blake Shelton, but she鈥檚 making music and touring and how is that life and how has it been impacted by COVID? She just released a Christmas album and it鈥檚 pay what you want. I鈥檓 fascinated by that, and I hope she鈥檚 willing to talk about these things.
WAER is now . The most recent episodes and past episodes of 鈥淧op Life鈥� can be found on the . 鈥淧op Life鈥� is also part of the available through National Public Radio.
